New to the Revolution, excited but confused about cross-platform UIinsanity! Rev poets, come to my aid, please.

[Christopher Mitchell]

Hey, Ken,

Thanks!  I've been looking at your site, actually, and the many others 
that are out there.  It is unbelievable how many resources people have 
made available, even more unbelievable that nobody I know has ever 
heard of RunRev.  Per the discussion in another thread, it's hard for 
me to get it through to my java/flash guru friend that RunRev is a good 
idea, but it seems like the world that knows about it is filled with 
real zealots.  (ha.  a Sons of Thunder joke)

Well, it could be a font issue.  I will give it a go with Arial.  This 
font is HebraicaII by Linguist Software, not something I could 
distribute with a stack anyway.  It is English OSX.3.2 that I'm 
running, and XP on the Win side.  I did not put a menu bar in, so in 
this case it is getting way cut off even without the bar-space.

Have a look at the files in here called winwarped and macwarped 
http://www.luminus.com/runrev/

That's the original Mac spacing I had to do to get the windows to look 
as it does in winwarped (which is not warped at all, and what I 
expected my original stack to export like).

I'll go give it a test with Arial though.  I notice that there have not 
been any posts in the archives for some time about Right to Left 
keyboarding and fonts, but this is the major need for which I will be 
carrying the standard.  I don't suppose you (or anyone reading this) 
knows offhand why when I switch to Hebrew-QWERTY the system 
automagically switches me to Lucida Grande, and I can't seem to change 
fonts in the right-left scripted mode...

RunRev needs to give a call to Mellel!  Especially with the education 
market in graduate/postgrad studies in Middle Eastern languages and 
literatures... (I'm currently assisting in editing my prof's 
dissertation for U. Ed, and one of the biggest issues has been dealing 
with Hebrew, Greek and English in one document.  May I take this time 
to express a moment of disdain for MS Word).  Mellel is one of the only 
apps I've seen so far that does it right - but even Mail.app works 
reasonably well.

Getting wordy, will go try Arial then look for a better Hebrew font... 
any suggestions from the gallery?


Yours,
Chris
On Feb 6, 2004, at 11:35 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

> Chris,
>
> Welcome aboard!
>
> Which font is this using, and is this in an English OS (it looks like 
> it
> is, but I want to be sure). At the outset it looks like a font-related
> issue... if you change the font to something "generic" like "Arial", do
> you still have the same issue? And it doesn't look like you have a menu
> bar in play, right?
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
>> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of
>> Christopher Mitchell
>> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 11:27 PM
>> To: 'How to use Revolution'
>> Subject: New to the Revolution, excited but confused about
>> cross-platform UIinsanity! Rev poets, come to my aid, please.
>>
>>
>> Hey, folks,
>>
>> I've just registered a Studio license this week and have been tooling
>> around with this fabulous software, but I'm having some
>> "concerns" when
>> it comes to how very simple Win32 windows are being represented in
>> contrast to the Mac windows.
>>
>> Now, I'm aware of the 21 pixel issue if there is a menu in
>> play (which
>> I guess is always) but please take a look at these small shots:
>>
>> http://www.luminus.com/runrev/
>>
>> The filenames are self-explanatory.  I built the Windows standalone
>> based on the Mac stack as you see it.  I did some adjusting and was
>> messing around with property profiles to try to get a Mac and
>> a Windows
>> setup where there was enough space and proper alignment, but there
>> seems to be more to it than just that.
>>
>> Note where the glyph in the Windows shot is being cutoff.  If
>> I turn a
>> grid plugin on in the editor on the mac, it shows that I have
>> a little
>> over 30 (THIRTY) pixels space between the top of the glyph
>> and the top
>> edge of the stack window.  As you can see, it is about equidistant to
>> the little control bundle at the bottom.  No matter how you slice it,
>> taking into account the menu area at the top (which is still
>> narrower,
>> as I understand, than what is shown) the Windows stack has
>> WAY too much
>> space between the glyph and the controls.  Trying to get them
>> to be in
>> the right place required almost placing the glyph field right
>> on top of
>> the controls.
>>
>> What's up with this?  I knew there were some problems, but this is
>> enough to require having to go back and redo each element just so it
>> doesn't show up in a funky place - time consuming and contra
>> the write
>> once run anywhere purpose of having a multi-environment
>> builder.  Oddly
>> enough it looks like the controls are in the right place, but this
>> field is just out in space once it moves over to Windows.
>>
>> Any hints/help on this?  I'm thinking of getting an Express
>> license to
>> clean up the UI on Windows but that just seems like  - well -
>> something
>> that I shouldn't have to do unless there's something hardcore
>> going on
>> - and this is just a single text field (and for the record is not a
>> unicode font, so there's none of that issue coming up  - yet...)
>>
>> Thanks all!
>>
>> Yours,
>> Chris
>>
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